These two were married: Caterina Sforza’s (1463~1509) first husband was Girolamo Riario (1443~1488), Lord of Imola and Forlì.
What a perfect couple. +He taught his young bride all he knew.
perfect couple? he taught her everything he knew?
Caterina’s skills and general badassery seem to have come primarily from her own family (and probably from her own personality, too). I have an Italian biography of her that constantly refers to him as “pusillanimous”, and to be honest, that’s a fitting description of him. what history has left us about him indicates that he was not particularly brilliant as a leader or particularly brave. I don’t get the notion that they were somehow a perfect couple and that her qualities came from him at all.
tagged as: Caterina Sforza. are you serious right now. because…. I haven’t watched Da Vinci’s Demons and I don’t want to. but really. shows are not real life. i can’t even. why would you think this. and none for Girolamo Riario bye.
Oh for crying out loud. I was commenting in the context of the shows. Their respective (heavily fictionalized, yes I know darling) primary antagonists were historically man and wife. If I had meant that about the historical couple, I’d have used real portraits.
Thank you for your comment though. I like having my headcanons challenged, although maybe with a little more civility next time…oh who am I kidding. LONG LIVE TUMBLR. CHALLENGE MY HEADCANONS ALL YOU WANT, I’LL FIGHT YOU ALL.
I should add: I actually never liked the historical Caterina very much. Do you have any biographies you’d recommend that might change my mind?
+I have this scene playing in my head:
Riario returns home defeated (by Leonardo I suppose, if you stick to the show) and an adorable redheaded girl runs out to greet him (“Girolamo! You’re back!”). He scoops her up in his arms and in a loving, almost fatherly way asks her about her day as he carries her indoors.
Cut to a scene of them in bed together, Girolamo apparently having told her about *his* day.
“Have you tried poison?” Caterina answers.
lol ok. In the context of Da Vinci’s Demons maybe it makes sense, but in The Borgias he’s not even mentioned and the only time it’s implied they were ever married is in S3 when her arrived is announced as “Caterina Sforza Riario”. Otherwise everything, including the fact that she got to Forlì by marriage, is not there at all (the show mentions specifically “the Sforzas of Forlì” and that her father was the local ruler in the show).
I wasn’t trying to challenge your headcanons, you can have them all you want, but maybe tagging your post as such would have made more sense. Or wait no this is tumblr why would you know how to tag your posts properly~
I don’t see how I wasn’t “civil” (unless a snarky gif counts as a serious offense to you) but hey, whatever you want to think. <3
If you don’t like the historical Caterina, I don’t need to try to change your mind. I can’t also begin recommending biographies or books about her and her family without knowing what languages you know, since there’s much more about her in Italian than there is in English.
Finally, good on you for having that scene playing in your head? Thanks for sharing it with me but I don’t see how it’s relevant.
tagged as: lol. oh you. why can’t tumblr leave my headcanons alone?. why can’t tumblr use tags?. I don’t need to change anyone’s flop taste. snarky Ascanio gifs are horribly uncouth. history is written by headcanons. the irony of not caring enough to read about her but trying to use history to support headcanons. I love you too. the borgias. text.
Look, I do care about Caterina Sforza enough to want to read more about her. I just don’t find her particularly appealing based on what I’ve read so far, and I do not mean that as a slight on your taste. I agree that you have no obligation to change my mind, but I would appreciate a better understanding of her. Language isn’t a problem. Recommendations in Italian are welcome if only you are open to sharing. If not, that’s fine too.
I do believe I correctly tagged my original post to mean Caterina and Riario of The Borgias and Da Vinci’s Demons, that is, characters in historical fiction. In their respective narratives I think the two share similar traits as antagonists (which might say something about the quality of tv writing today, but that’s another subject), and in my original post I meant there could be another dimension to their stories given that their historical counterparts were married. I have posted before that I enjoy it when historical connections bridge fictional narratives together. I don’t take shows for real life and I hope I don’t have “flop taste” as you suggest in your tags.
But as you say it’s a misunderstanding to take such suggestions as incivility, lol ok, I am willing to accept that. The Ascanio gif was never a problem.
The scene was meant as an addition to my original post, not as a message to you. My apologies if it was confusing.
Now if you’ll excuse me I have to return some video tapes
I just thought it was really random that you felt the need to share with me that you don’t care much about the historical Caterina (ok…?) and to ask me for biographies when I don’t know what your reading preferences are to begin with. If you’re really interested in that, feel free to send me an ask or fanmail or something.
What are you trying to say? You tagged it as their names and the shows, separately (for example, I found your post in the “Caterina Sforza” tag, not the “Caterina Sforza from The Borgias” tag). However, that’s not what I was talking about. I was suggesting that you could tag your headcanon posts as “headcanon”. In the Caterina Sforza tag there’s a huge assortment of things, including posts with an historical theme — such as book quotes, or links to articles — posted in the context of The Borgias because for many people that was their introduction to her, or because they want to read about the time period (I have no issue with that, just so we’re clear). There was no indication that your post was about a headcanon, in fact, all you said was that they were married in real life and were a perfect couple. Because of this, I replied thinking it was a history-related post using their fictional versions as a starting point, not a headcanon post. If that was clear all along I wouldn’t even have replied because I frankly don’t care about the headcanons of random strangers. I hope this is easier to understand now.
As to everything else, I would suggest that you learn a bit more about tumblr, unless you’re trying to play up a too-cool-for-this-can’t-bother-learning angle. If you have something else to add to your previous post, you can edit it or reblog it from your own tumblr and add that. Tags are often used around here to provide additional commentary that is often humorous in nature (I can’t believe I’m explaining tumblr tags to someone), so you don’t have to take them so seriously although it’s kind of you to look at them. Finally, I never said that I perceived your dislike for the real Caterina as a “slight on [my] taste”. It’s very cute of you to think that but I genuinely don’t care if other people don’t share my interest in certain historical figures.
This is starting to be way too much text for a single tumblr, so don’t take it personally if I stop replying. To me, this conversation ended the moment you explained it was about your headcanon.